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Mitai apie flyLAL arba ką atras prokuratūra

Šio post‘o disclaimer‘is: jis skirtas labiau tiems, kas neturi šiuo metu įsigiję flyLAL bilietų. Bilietus turintiems keleiviams, žinoma, kur kas labiau nei postringavimai apie aviaciją ar flyLAL bėdų šaknis rūpi kompensacijos, Virgin Atlantic (VS) ar kitos galimybės tęsti skrydžius. Deja, VS į savo skrydžius nepriims. Apie kompensacijas kol kas neturime ką daugiau pasakyti. O apie galutinį keleivių skaičių, kurie nukentėjo dėl veiklos sustabdymo, paskelbsime, kai turėsime tiksliai suskaičiavę galutinius duomenis vasario viduryje. Tarpinių skaičių nebeskelbsime, nors jie ir gerokai mažesni, nei sakėme paskutinį kartą (~8000 keleivių, ~6 mln. Lt).
 


Mitai apie flyLAL arba ką atras prokuratūra



Paskutinėmis savaitėmis esame ”lepinami” spaudos dėmesiu. Žurnalistai aktyviai „gamina“ perkamiausią produktą – konspiracijos teorijas. p. Masiulis žengia lengvu populistiniu keliu ir kreipiasi į prokuratūrą, taip perleisdamas estafetę, bet kol kas nespręsdamas civilinės aviacijos problemų iš esmės.


Ne kartą sakėme, kad laukiame ir sveikiname bet kokius tyrimus. Dar daugiau, galime palengvinti prokuratūros darbą ir glaustai pateikiame tai, ką jie betirdami išeikvos daug laiko ir pinigų. 


 
“Atskirtos pelningos veiklos”

Ne atskiros, o sukurtos. Dauguma grupės įmonių, pvz. flyLAL Training ir Avia Asset Management, apskritai startavo nuo nulio, nes tokių veiklų anksčiau LAL’e net nebuvo.
Avia Asset Management. Lėktuvų lizingo įmonė. Perka lėktuvus ir nuomoja juos kitoms įmonėms: 2 lėktuvai skraido Kazachstane, vienas Danijoj, dar vienas išvažiuos į Kroatiją. 3 lėktuvai skraido flyLAL Charters, o 2, kurie buvo LAL’e, dabar ieškosi naujų operatorių.
Ši įmonė atsirado ekonomikos kilimo metu, kai labai pabrango lėktuvų, ypač nuomos, kaina. Buvo paskaičiuota, kad geriau bus nupirkti padėvėtą lėktuvą, jį “prikelti” pas flyLAL Technics, ir išnuomoti. Beje, LAL’as iš Avia Asset Management nuomavosi žemesniais nei rinkos tarifais – kiti 2 lėktuvai iš amerikiečių lizingo bendrovės kainavo brangiau (čia užbėgant prieš akis teiginiui, neva mes “plovėm” pinigus per grupes kompanijas. Netiesa.)
Kitos įmonės, pvz. Technics ir Charters, gimė iš vidinių departamentų. Kodėl? Kad galėtų toliau augti turėdamos savo atskirą management‘ą ir ant švaraus balanso imtų bankų paskolas plėtrai. Todėl Technics šiai dienai vietoj 90 žmonių departamento, kaip buvo privatizavus LAL'ą, turi virš 300 darbuotojų; pastatė naują angarą ir 90% pajamų uždirba iš trečių šalių. Po LAL'o vėliava tai butu neįmanoma.
Tas pats su Charters. Reikėjo naujo lėktuvo Novaturui aptarnauti, kurio bankai nebūtų finansavę ant LAL'o balanso. Todėl gimė nauja įmonė.

Taip pat reikia pažymėti, kad visos didžiosios avialinijų bendroves - KLM, Lufthansa, Icelandair, SAS – turi  lygiai tokią pačią struktūrą. Ir dar daugiau - gigantai papildomai atskiria Krovinių veiklą, Lojalumo programas ir net sukuria konsultacines įmones (pvz. Air-France Consulting). Taigi, dviračio neišradinėjom, o darėm kaip iš knygos. Ir ačiū dievui – nes šiandien turėtume kur kas daugiau bedarbių žmonių.
Nors ir naivus, bet kur kas konstruktyvesnis klausimas būtų, ar nebuvo galima išgelbėti LAL‘o vėl visas įmones sudėjus i krūvą. Atsakymas deja yra ne, nes skaičiai matematiškai nesueina: grupės įmonių pelnas be LAL‘o 2008 m. geriausiu atveju sieks apie 14 mln., tuo tarpu nuostolis iš reguliarių skrydžių – apie 90.



“Tyčinis bankrotas”


Galvoj netelpa, kur tyčinio bankroto logika, kai vien šiais metais akcininkai į įmonę sukišo 47 mln. Lt. Nors neesame tyčinių bankrotų specialistai, bet turbūt tokio veiksmo motyvas turėtų būti siekis užsidirbti. Ką gi, akcininkai tiek suinvestavę grąžos bankrutavę negavo - anaiptol.
Kur kas konstruktyvesnis klausimas būtų, tai kodėl buvo nuolat dengiami įmonės nuostoliai? Planas buvo toks: perimsim iš airBaltic’o rinkos dalį ir užauginsim keleivių srautą tiek, kad apsimokės pastatyti savo terminalą. 1 mln. keleivių, prie kurio artėjome, terminalui butu atnešęs 45 mln. pajamų vien iš keleivių mokesčių, jau nekalbant apie patalpų nuomas ir kitas veiklas. Tai būtų pateisinę nuostolingą avialinijų veiklą. Deja, rinkos paklausa smuko, dėl finansų krizės nutrūko finansavimas, įmonė nebegavo injekcijų iš akcininkų ir turim ką turim. Geriausiu atveju LAL‘o situaciją galima pavadinti oportunistiškos strategijos neišsipildymu, bet ne tyčiniu bankrotu.
 


“Finansinė piramidė”


“Finansinė piramidė” neva dėl to, kad pardavinėjome bilietus žinodami, jog veiklos nevykdysime. Tai ne tik kad netiesa, bet tai ir nelogiška. Visų pirma, iki paskutinės minutės tikėjomės veiklą tęsti ir nėrėmės iš kailio, kad taip būtų. Tačiau pirma apie pačią logiką.
Kaip ir tyčinio bankroto atveju, taip ir piramidės, tikslas, matyt, turėtų būti užsidirbti kuo daugiau pinigų. Sekant tokia logika, reikėjo veiklą stabdyti vasaros pradžioje, kai pardavimai į priekį siekia apie 20 mln., vietoj dabar geriausiu atveju 4 mln. Nuo vasaros mes nuolat mažinome skrydžių skaičių, nes mažėjo paklausa, o ir strateginiai prioritetai pasikeitė – į pirmą vietą „atsistojo“ ne rinkos dalies vaikymasis ateities terminalo srautams užtikrinti, o senas geras pelnas.  Dėl to atsisakėm daugybės nepelningų reisų ir keleivių skaičiai dramatiškai nukrito (nuostoliai nukrito taip pat, bet deja nepakankamai).
Toliau, finansinės piramidės motyvas neatlaiko ir tokio fakto, kad per 2 paskutines veiklos savaites visi pinigai iš internetinių pardavimų išvažiavo arba mums „padėjusiam“ oro uostui (po 30 tūkstančių kiekvieną dieną), arba juos inkasavo Sodra. Dar daugiau – kaštai, kuriuos patyrė kitos grupės įmonės nemokamai aptarnaudamos LAL‘ą (pvz. antiledodara, kai pilamas specialus skystis ant lėktuvų, kad jie neužšaltų), kainavo kur kas rimtesnius pinigus, nei kad buvo gaunama iš pardavimų.
Kur kas konstruktyvesnis klausimas būtų, ar galėjome sustabdyti pardavimus anksčiau, arba nepardavinėti bilietų toli į priekį. Kai valstybė atsisakė perimti kontrolinį akcijų paketą, buvome sustabdę jungiamųjų skrydžių pardavimus internetu, tačiau po šveicarų suteiktos vilties, „įjungėmė“ jungiamuosius atgal. Logika paprasta – kiekvienas parduotas bilietas teikė papildomą galimybę tęsti veiklą. Ir nedaug trūko: pvz. jei pardavimai būtų atsistatę iki normalaus dydžio (ir dar šiek tiek paaugę dėl airBaltic nutrauktos pasiūlos), kas žino, gal būtume turėję šansą pragyventi iki vasario galo, kai pradeda stipriai daugėti pajamų iš vasaros skrydžių ir galima lengviau atsikvėpti pergyvenus žiemą. Deja.
Kitas motyvas nestabdyti anksčiau pardavimų yra tas, kad tai tolygu šūviui į smilkinį. Tai akivaizdus signalas rinkos dalyviams, kaip oro navigacijos tarnybos, oro uostai, kad grimstame į dugną. Tada jie užlaikys lėktuvus siekdami apsaugoti savo skolas. Tai yra žaibiškas bankrotas su daug žiauresnėm pasekmėm, nei dabar.




“Išplautas turtas”


Tikrai taip, plovėm turtą, bet tik tą, kurį tikrąją ta žodžio prasme reikia plauti. Kiekvieną dieną, o dažniausiai naktį, plovėm lėktuvus. Plauti reikia, nes ir atrodo gražiau, ir kuro taupo dėl mažesnio oro pasipriešinimo.
O dėl nekilnojamo turto, tai jis parduotas už rinkos vertę, o gauti pinigai panaudoti veikloje. Normali verslo procedūra, kai įmonei reikia cash’o.
 


“flyLAL paliktas bankrutuoti”


Taip, paliktas, bet jį tokį paliko – in the end - valstybė. Tiek akcininkai, tiek įmonės vadovybė per paskutinius 3 mėnesius padarė kas buvo jų jėgose ir geriausiame supratime: atsisakėme nepelningų skrydžių, atleidome perteklinį kiekį žmonių, persiderėjome su tiekėjais, atsidėjome kai kurias skolas, suradome naujus partnerius, tiuningavome tokias jautrias aviacijoje sritis kaip pajamų valdymas, paleidome naujų produktų, atnaujinome meniu. Dar daug visko buvo suplanuota.
Su teisingais konsultantais padarėm detalią analizę bei nusipiešėm strategiją į priekį. Deja, būtinai reikėjo pinigų, kurių akcininkai duoti nebegalėjo. Siūlėmės SAS‘ui, bet jie dabar neinvestuoja. Tada buvo pasiūlymas iš airBaltic‘o, bet nesulygome. Tada atvedėm už rankutės SAS‘ą kaip galimą partnerį į ministeriją ir pasiūlėm jiems. Be derybų ir jokių pasiūlymų gavome NE iš jų į veidą ir net po to dar sugebėjome suklijuoti subyrėjusią motyvaciją ir užkabinti naują investuotoją. Gaila ne rimtą. Ir įmonės restruktūrizacijai buvome pilnai pasiruošę su visais teisiniais dokumentais, ir… ech.
Kai kurių dalykų gal ir nepadarėme, pvz. nespėjome išsispręsti konfliktų su profsąjungomis, bet esminių klaidų, bent jau per paskutinius kelis mėnesius, manome, kad nebuvo.
Todėl kur kas geresnis klausimas būtų, o ką valstybė padarė dėl aviacijos? Ir šitas klausimas vietoj, nes į aviaciją reikia kištis, sritis tokia. Pasakymas „čią privačios kompanijos reikalas, valstybei nėra ką daryti“ yra itin trumparegiškas dėl aviacijos svarbos šalies ekonomikai, įvaizdžiui, susisiekiamumui. Užtenka pažiūrėti i kinus, argentiniečius, ar tuos pačius latvius kad juos kur…
Nesakom, kad mus vėl reikia pirkti – per vėlu. Bet kištis į aviaciją reikia, ir labai greitai, ir iš esmės.


 
Reziumuojant: flyLAL‘as – tai ne „pelningas bankrotas“, ir ne „finansinė afera“ ar dar koks kitas blogis. Tai tiesiog nepasisekęs verslas. Dėl daugelio priežasčių - tiek išorinių (ekonomika, kuras, valstybinis reguliavimas, tiekėjų galia, konkurencija, klientai), tiek vidinių (strategija, žinios, personalas, lėktuvų parkas, produktas, kainodara). Štai apie tikrąsias priežastis ir detaliau parašysim kitame post‘e. Taip pat ir apie Vilniaus oro uosto perspektyvas, ir ką toliau daryti su Lietuvos civiline aviacija. Galite pasiūlyti ir savo temą.

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Komentarai (1,168)

  1. Darius:

    Buvau jusu istikimas klientas 2 metus, skraidziau per savaite maziausiai 2 kartus.. likus iki jusu bendroves veiklos sustabdymo 2 dienos, as prisipirkau bilietu menesiui i prieki, net perklausiau jusu, ar viskas ok. Uztikrinot kad viskas ok. Dabar jauciuosi kaip su mazgote per snuki gaves.. taip nesielgiama su lojaliai klientais. Galejont bent perspet. Baikit malt shuda ir teisintis.. geriau jusu valdzia pagalvotu kaip isspresti problema, o ne verkti.

  2. Anonimas:

    Paaiskinimus galesite pateikti rastu:), na aisku, surasius toki rasta, bus legviau. Ruosinukas pravers, shkia:).

    Komunikuokite naujienas, kaip su VA sekas pvz.

  3. audrius:

    O gal būtų visgi galima mažiau politikavimo ir spaudimo valstybei, o daugiau taip jau paminėtųjų vidinių problemų. Kaip pvz nesugebėjimas turėti tinkamo dydžio lėktuvų, kas yra totalus shame, turint omeny, kad nesubėjot prasitęst saabų leasing'o, nors turėjot Technics'e žmones, mokančius juo prižiūrėti ir t.t.. Kodėl nesugebėta atiduot atgal AAM'ui classic boeingų, kad išgrūstų kazachams, o patys tuo tarpu bombardier/atr/fokker/embraer paieška užsiimti secondgandiniam market'e. C'mon guys, tas perdidelių lėktuvų turėjimo pasiteisinimas yra tikras joke.

  4. slepkites:

    nu ir vel meluojat, nugi ar grazu taip..?

  5. flyLAL:

    to Audrius: siaip neatsakinejame i komentarus, kur daromos skubotos isvados neturint reikiamu ziniu, bet si karta padarysime isimti.
    Turejome daug variantu ir paskaiciavimu del ATR, ir del CRJ700, ir del Fokker, ir Dash 8/Q400. Taciau orlaiviu parko keitimas kainuoja didelius pinigus. Grazinant turimus lektuvus yra toks dalykas kaip senos sutartys, numatancios baudas, jei grazinama anksciau termino, taip pat su tuo susije remontai (C-check'ai). O ivedant nauja tipa islaidos patiriamos ne tik del depozitu, bet ir del tech. personalo permokymo, lakunu, atsarginiu daliu, jau nekalbant apie dokumentacija ir pan.
    Visa tai buvome suskaiciave imones atgaivinimo, arba kitaip tariant restrukturizavimo plane, kuri turejom pasiruose ir siulem vyriausybei kartu su SAS'u.
    Kas liecia SAAB'us, sprendimas juos keisti buvo labai seniai. Musu specialistu manymu, tai nepatikimas lektuvas, kurio islaikymas be galo brangus, o panaudojimas (utilizacija) neefektyvus. Juos apsimoka tureti tik dideliais kiekiais (kad butu atsarginiai) prie daug trumpu destinaciju, pvz. Carpatair modelis.
    Visos musu su konsultantais darytos simuliacijos prie musu rinkos salygu bylojo apie tai, kad geriausiu rezultatu galime pasiekti prie vieno tipo lektuvu - regional jet 70-ties ir 90-ties vietu (CRJ700/900 arba Embraer analogas). Pilnam naujo lektuvu parko sukomplektavimui buvo reikalinga apie 15 mln. lt.
    Uzbegant uz akiu klausimui, tai kokio velnio pirkom per didelius Boeing'us, atsakymas paprastas: kai jie buvo perkami daugiau nei metus atgal, buvo tikimasi kitokios konkurencines ir rinkos raidos, ypac kas liecia tranzitinius keleivius.
    Apie kitas vidines ir isorines problemas daugiau pakalbesime artimiausiu metu.

    Redagavo flylal 2009-01-30 11:41

  6. ir viskas apibendrinta dviem sakiniais:

    "Tai tiesiog nepasisekęs verslas. Dėl daugelio priežasčių - tiek išorinių (ekonomika, kuras, valstybinis reguliavimas, tiekėjų galia, konkurencija, klientai), tiek vidinių (strategija, žinios, personalas, lėktuvų parkas, produktas, kainodara). "

    amen Juze, paskutinis išeinatis išjungia šviesą…

    be emocijų

  7. Anonimas:

    VS tai kokios cia linijos? Tipo Virginai?

  8. Asta:

    Žinote, ačiū už fantastišką pamoką, kurią patyriau Jums sustabdžius veiklą. Nuo šiol kai reikia pirkti bilietus, pirmiausia išsinagrinėju, kokia avialinijų padėtis (ar yra bent menkiausia galimybė, jog jos gali mano kelionės viduryje stabdyti savo veiklą), o tik po to perku bilietus. Čia kad nelikčiau "ant ledo". O ir kelionių agentūras renkuosi žymiai atsakingiau, kad iškilus problemai pagelbėtų, o ne paliktų likimo valiai. Ne kiekvienas gali vežiotis į komandiruotę maišą pinigų (dėl viso pikto). Šiaip tai ateičiai: informuokite savo firmas, kad pirmiausia yra žmogiškumas, pagalba bėdoje, domėjimasis klientu, o ne pasakymas "laukite pirmadienio" ar kitos dienos. Juk nepatenkitas klientas nuo Jūsų nuvilios 10, o patenkintas atves tik vieną naują klientą. Čia mane bent jau taip vadybos mokė, o gal pas Jus galioja kitokia taisyklė?

    O ką dėl Jūsų galiu pasakyti, kiekvienas mes bandome įrodyti davo teisybę. Tik vieniems gaunasi, o kitiems nelabai.

  9. audrius:

    nu ok, dėl papildomų išlaidų pilnai sutinku, natūralu. Bet dėl senų lėktuvų gražinimo… baudų.. Nu ok, du B737 berods iš ILFC leasinot, tai juos buvo galima palikt LGW/AMS reisams ir pan, o likę juk AAM, sava chebra, tai būtumėt be vargo prastūmę kam į Rytus. O jei jau taip striuka su pinigais buvo, tai buvo galima apie Dash'us pagalvot, juk po incidentų kaina leasingo smarkiai krito. Dėl lakūnų, tai kaip samdėt žmones su classic boeingų licenzijom, taip samdytumėt skraidžiusius su turbopropais, laisva darbo rinka, nesunkiai rastumėt pradedančiųjų lakūnų, kurie sutiktų skrist už jūsų algą.
    Anyway, tikslas neužsipult o daugiau info turėti apie vidines problemas gauti, nes atsibodo girdėti tą pačią dainelę kokia valstybė bloga. Daug įdomiau kokios vidinės klaidos buvo.

  10. Vera:

    Šita antraštė- eilinis mūsų smegenų plovimas, ypač po p. Žiemelio pasiūlymo. Atrodo, kad tą patį jūs dainuosit prokuratūroj ir jums patikės.O gaila-reikėtų bausti. P.S. dėl 14 mln. visų pelno ir 90 mln. lalo skolų- kaip gi dėl BPC Travel dvigubai augusios apyvartos ir 22mln. pelno 2008metais. Ar tai eilinis melas presoje?

  11. Kazimieras:

    Manau, kad BPC labai daug pinigų nusavinta nuo Flylal, ar klystu?
    Na iš tiesų labai gaila, jog valstybė, tas susisiekimo. m. neleido skraidyti, tikrai blogai jis pasielge, uz ji per sekanciu rinkimus jokias budais nebalsuosiu. vat uz p/ Butkeviciu tikrai balsuociau. CIA MANO NUOMONE.

  12. Gnomas:

    Tuoj apsivemsiu nuo Jusu komentaru - "iki paskutines minutes stengemes atgaivinti veikla" ir bla bla bla. Zmones nusipirko bilietus valanda pries paskelbiant per zinias apie Jusu veilos stabdyma. Kokia paskutine minute, kliedit eili syki. Sistemai "uzrakinti" reikia keliu minuciu. Nusikeikciau, bet tai nepades, velniop Jus

  13. Panele:

    Visi kalti-tik ne mes..

  14. LAL:

    Grąžink pinigus, sukčiau.

  15. No name:

    Sėsit vyrukai, oi sėsit, kaip dideli. Šitiek žmonių apvogėt. Tau gal 2000 lt buvo nusispjaut, dienos alga, o man metus taupyt juos reikėjo. Pragare aš tau juos priminsiu, išgama.

  16. Vitalijus:

    Nuo visu bent siek tiek nusimananciu versle noreciau visai FLyLAL administracijai bei akcininkams padekoti uz tai, kad:
    1. dabar turim FltLAL Technics ir Vilniaus oro uoste taisomi uzsienio aviakompaniju lektuvai.
    2. ir toliau galim skraidyti i pamiegtus kurortus su FlyLAL Charters miegaudamesi auksciausia aptarnavimo kokybe ir kultura.
    3. turime FlyLAL Training aviacijos specialistu rengimo centra ir ateity tikriausiai nepritruksime specialistu aviacijoje.
    4. yra BGS ir VTOU vis dar yra kam aptarnauti orlaivius.
    5. atsirado rimta imone (AB „Avia Asset Management“), kuri gali pigiau isnuomoti lektuvus vietinem aviakompanijom bei pritraukti uzsienio lesu i Lietuva.
    6. yra BPC Travel ir dabar lektuvo bilietus galima isigyti patogiau ir greiciau.

    O Susisiekimo ministerijai patarciau ATSIBUSTI ir tvarkyti aviacija salyje, nes FlyLAL bankrotas dar tik pradzia…

  17. flyLAL:

    To keli paskutiniai komentarai (no name ir pan.): tiesiog primename, kad vengtumete asmeniniu grasinimu ir bandymu izeisti. Jeigu norite savo intelekto lygi parodyti, galite rasyti piktus komentarus delfi.lt ar panasiai. Del sedimo irgi nebuciau toks tikras. Lauksime klausimu arba temu pasiulymu.

  18. Stepo:

    Klausimas Flailalui ar verta dabar pirkti Airbaltic bilietus vsarai grizimui i namus?Koks garantas kad neisplauks pilvu i virsu?

  19. Vytautas.D:

    Man įdomu kokios dar bendrovės anot Vitalijaus turėtų bankrutuot ateityje Lietuvoje? Aurela? LOT, CSA ir t.t.?
    Ir šiaip gan naiviai atrodo dabartinio Susisiekimo ministro puolimas. LAL problemos prasidėjo ne per Kalėdas, o A.Butkevičiaus laikais. Visi oro uosto mokesčiai ir t.t. ir pan. Tad naujas ministras dėl to nekaltas. O tai, kad jis nenorėjo krizės metu dar ant valstybė kurpros skolų prisiimt visai suprantama.
    Būkim biedni bet teisingi. Valstybei pasiūlyta paremti LAL, kuri neturi nieko, išskyrus skolas (yra darbuotojai, bet tai ne turtas, jo neįkeisi, ne parduosi).
    Kodėl LAL savininkai nenorėjo prisiimt didesnės atsakomybės? Kodėl kartu su LAL akcijomis valstybei nepasiūlė BGS, Technics, AAM, Training akcijų? Bent jau kaip užstato. Kad jų genialiam planui nepasisekus, jie netektų ne LAL, bet visos grupės ar didesnės jos dalies kontrolės. Manau ir SAS domino ne tiek LAL atskirai, kiek kartu su visomis kitomis įmonėmis, kad jie galėtų ir remontu ir aptarnavimu užsiimt ir realios naudos iš to turėt.
    O savininkų taip realiai skalambijamas "gelbėjimas", tebuvo rizikos finansavimo sandoris. Jei nepasiseka- valstybės skola dar 30 mln. litų išauga. Tuo metu, kai pinigų trūksta šveitimui, sveikatos apsaugai ir t.t. ir pan.
    LAL logika primena jaunuoli, kuri ateina į banką ir prašo paskolos naujai Toyota už 100 000 Lt. O pats neturi nieko išskyrus 2000 Lt atlyginimą.

  20. Vitalijus Vytautui.D:

    Jei Susisiekimo ministerija nepabus, sekantis bus BGS, po to flylal Trainings dar si pavasari, BPC vasaros pabaigoj, Charters - ankstyva rudeni. Technics ir AAM dar kuri laika pasilaikys, iki Aurela Group Kaune angara pasistatys.

  21. Viktorija:

    FlyLAL,
    kodel negalite is kitu pelningai veikianciu Flylal grupiu saskaitu grazinti keleiviams pinigus uz isigytus bilietus?

  22. flyLAL:

    To Vytautas.D ir kitiems pasiulymo vyriausybei skeptikams:
    Pries kategoriskai vertinant, ar 51% uz 1 LTL buvo geras, ar blogas pasiulymas, pirma reiktu panagrineti ji is keliu aspektu: politinio, verslo ir valstybinio intereso.

    Politiskai sis pasiulymas, be abejo, buvo blogas. Nuostolingas LAL'as, o salia - pelningai veikiancios imones. Prasta dirva. Ziniasklaida uztrimitavo apie konspiracijos teorijas. Aktyviai sudirbo priesininku stovykla, kuri turi interesu oro uoste. Reikejo itin stiprios politines valios nepaisyti tokio pasipriesinimo. Nenuostabu, kad naujai iskeptai valdziai, toks sprendimas butu perdaug nepopuliarus ir masems nepriimtinas, nesvarbu kokie argumentai "uz".

    Verslo poziuriu, sis pasiulymas geras tiek, kiek buna geri initial pasiulymai pirma karta susedus prie derybu stalo. Minusai: skolos, nuostoliai, jokio turto. Pliusai: licenzija skrydziams su isskirtinemis teisemis i rytus, istoriniai laikai oro uostuose, pilnai paruosta pardavimu ir kita infrastruktura, bei didziausia rinkos dalis Vilniaus oro uoste.
    Verslo pirkimo poziuriu svarbiausias klausimas yra ne skolos, ne turtas, o kokios sio verslo perspektyvos ateityje - ar gali jis duoti teigiamus pinigu srautus? Tai verslo plano klausimas. Mes toki turejome paruose ir pagal ji 2010 m. bendrove butu uzdirbusi apie 20 mln. pelno. Reikejo i ta plana gerai isigilinti, pasigincyti, o po to PASIDERETI del kainos ir salygu. Gerai argumentuojant, buvo galima itraukti ir kitas grupes imones, paprasyti daugiau nei 51% akciju, kapitalizuoti akcininku skolas… Daug variantu, bet norint juos apsvarstyti, reikia ANALIZUOTI ir DERETIS. Bet pries reziumuojant, panagrinekime dar viena aspekta - koks valstybinis interesas aviacijoje?

    Ernst&Young tyrimas Latvijoje sako, kad tenykstis airBaltic Latvijos ekonomikai netiesiogiai atnesa apie 400 mln. latu (del to Rygos oro uostas lengva ranka nubraukia 11,3 mln. LVL pajamu jas atiduodamas airBaltic'ui nuolaidu pavidalu).
    Mes samdemes konsultantus Seabury (www.seaburygroup.com), kuriu daryta analize rode 1 mlrd. litu, kuriu neteks Lietuvos BVP uzvertus flyLAL.
    Taigi, 1 mlrd. BVP islaikyti, mes praseme 30 mln. LTL paskolos. Ten, kur privatus kapitalas verslo nemato, nes nera pelno, valstybei gali buti nuostabus business case'as: aviacija sukuria milziniskus pinigus netiesiogiai - tai turizmas, mokesciai, salies produktyvumas ir patrauklumas.
    Aviacija yra irankis uzdirbti pinigus saliai kitose srityse. Latviai ta supranta, musiskiai - kol kas ne.
    Kai dabar nebelieka tiesioginiu skrydziu ir mes tapome Europs kulturos sostine, i kuria nera kaip atvykti, o bilietai pabrango 20%-40% ir visos pajamos atitenka uzsienio aviakompanijom (kitaip tariant, mes, kaip salis, importuojame aviacijos paslaugas), net ir pas anksciau nelabai norincius gilintis valdininkus istyso veidai. Sakem, kad taip bus.

    Bottom line: i musu pasiulyma ir apskritai i visa aviacija [kol kas] nebuvo zvelgiama is platesnio, valstybinio intereso, puses. Tai viena.
    Antra, verslo poziuriu buvo galima ivairiai pasidereti, bet to neivyko. Kodel? Todel, kad kai kazkas is minios uzklyke "Vagys! Afera!", valdzia ivertino savo politinius reitingus priimant toki sprendima ir parode nyksciu zemyn.

    Redagavo flylal 2009-02-01 20:23

  23. flyLAL:

    to Vytautas.D:

    Jums jau ne pirma karta atrodo, kad SAS'a domino ne tik reguliariu skrydziu aviakompanija, o taip pat ir kitos grupes kompanijos.

    Jau ne pirma karta Jus klystate. SAS'ui nei musu "garazas" (flyLAL Technics), nei jokia kita grupes imone nebuvo idomi. Atvirksciai, jie labai dziaugesi, kad viskas taip logiskai atskirta - lygiai taip pat kaip pas juos - ir kad neprisipirks ATEITYJE to, ko jiems visai nereikia.

    Tai kodel jie nepirko DABAR? Jau sakem - jie dabar neinvestuoja. Nes ir pas save turi pakankamai problemu.

    Redagavo flylal 2009-02-01 20:09

  24. Taigi SAS jau pabaigė savo du labai jau keliaprasmiškai prognozuotus sandorius - atsikratė AirBaltic (su tam tikru casho gavimu) bei beveik atsikratė Spanair. Gal jau kaip ir būtų rinka žvilgtelėti į flyLAL perspektyvas kitaip? Ar nebeturite jokių kontaktų su jais? Ar viskas taip jau galutinai prarasta?
    Apskritai, tai kiek skraidžiau flyLAL - nesusidūriau su jokiomis problemomis. Gal tik Boingų krėslai kai kurie buvo per daug nusidėvėję. Bet tai pataisoma… Gaila, jei viskas taip užsibaigs.

  25. Viktorija:

    Kodel neatsakote klausimus? Kartoju:
    FlyLAL,
    kodel negalite is kitu pelningai veikianciu Flylal grupiu saskaitu grazinti keleiviams pinigus uz isigytus bilietus?

  26. Viktorija:

    Tuo labiau, visuomenei giriates, jog turejot 55 milijonus pelno is turistiniu kelioniu per savo BPC agentura.
    Negi visai nekreipsite demesio i klientus?

  27. Vytautas.D:

    Pirmiausia aš nesu toks pesimistas BGS atžvilgiu. Juk reikia kažkam lėktuvus aptarnaut. Negi Litcargus liks be konkurentų. Na BPC gali užsilenkt, nes didelė konkurencija. Žodžiu pagyvensim, pamatysim.
    Dabar apie garsų "pasiūlymą Vyriausybei". Vyriausybė nėra nei bankas, nei verslininkas. Šalyje yra daug problemų ir be LAL, kurios reikalauja sprendimo. Dabar LAL prakalbo apie papildomas garantijas ir t.t. ir pan. O kur buvo tada, kai siūlė akcijas už 1 Lt?
    Pagal pradinę schemą LAL savininkai rizikavo netekti 51 proc. akcijų arba net viso paketo nuostolingos įmonės. Valstybė gi rizikavo prie esamų skolų prisidurti dar 30 mln skolų. Nemanau, kad kas nors galėjo duot 100 proc. garantijas, jog verslo planas visiškai pasiseks. Gali per tą laiką net ekonominė situacija pasikeist. Kodėl valstybė turi pirkti 30 mln. litų rizikos už 1 Lt? Aš asmeniškai nesuprantu.
    Dabar apie SAS. Gal jos tikrai daugiau niekas nedomino. Man daug įdomiau kita- kur KLM ir Aeroflot? Pirmieji turi kapitalo ir jiems neblogai sekės vežiot keleivius iš Vilniaus po pasaulį. Aeroflot'as turi interesą įžengt į Europos rinką. Jiems nepavyko su Alitalia ir Austrian. LAL gi privatus vežėjas, kurį galima nupirkt be konkurso. O pinigų Rusijoj galima gaut iš valstybės. Be to, jie lyg ne iš bankrutuojančių vežėjų būtų…
    Į pabaigą dar kinai pasirodė, kurių nereikėtų nurašyt ir jei pasisektų, jie Lietuvai būtų didelė ir nepakartojama sėkmė…
    Ir pabaigai apie 1 mlrd BVP. Čia toks mistinis skaičius. Įtariu kitiems vežėjams perėmus LAL keleivius tas BVP gal ir sumažės, bet visai neišnyks. Tad apie milijardinį nuostolį nėr ko pasakų sekt..

  28. :):

    Gaila…

  29. Welingtonas:

    Viktorija, negi tu tokia kvaila? Isivaizduok situacija, jei prie tavo duru pasirodytu visiskai nepazystamas zmogus ir pareikstu, jog tu jam turetum atiduoti kelis tukstancius litu, kuriuos is jo pasiskolino tavo pusbrolis. Klausimas ar tu tuos pinigus atiduotum? Nemanau, nes nei tu apie juos ka girdejai, nei juos matei. Tai kodel juos grazinti turetum? Savo klausime gi siulai tai padaryti…

  30. Welingtonas:

    2 Vytautas.D
    Kiek zinau KLM labai domisi tiesioginio reiso AMS-VNO-AMS galimybemis. Ir kiek zinau planuojamas "apkarpytas" variantas to, ka turejom su ju ir LAL partneryste (skrydziai pirmadieni, treciadieni ir sestadieni anksti ryte). Dar zinau, jog vokieciai domisi linijos VNO i Frankfurta. Jei vokieciai apsisuks pirmieji ir naudos Frankfurta kaip uosta jungiamiesiems, KLM gali ir visai neateiti. Bet cia tik gandai, zinoma…

  31. Viktorija:

    Welington,
    Del pvz. istorijos su pusbroliu. Cia esme ir yra ta, kad as is zmogaus paimu pinigus, juos staigiai perduodu pusbroliui ir sakau zmogui, kad ju neturiu ir as cia ne prie ko. Itiketina? Uztai i kalejima sodina.

  32. Viktorijai:

    Nors Jusu klausimas labai paprastas ir zmogiskas, bet atsakymas i ji yra sudetingas, arba bent jau ne taip lengvai zmogiskai suprantamas. Pabandysime paaiskinti.
    Viena, BPC yra kita imone. Kad ir kaip tai sunku priimti, taciau istatymiskai taip yra - tai atskira imone ir ji neatsako, siuo atveju, uz LAL'o nesekmes. Todel teisiskai ji NEPRIVALO kaip nors kistis, o is verslo puses tai daryti jai neapsimoka (tiesa, subjektyviu vertinimu).

    Toks isikisimas, jei jis butu siulomas, galetu buti svarstomas nebent kaip investicija i reputacija, arba brand'a - turbut taip tai butu uzvadinta, jei kazkas toki pasiulyma atnestu iki valdybos.
    Taciau investuoti 2 mln. ar daugiau i brand'a - kazin, ar siai dienai tai geras verslo sprendimas. Tokiai imonei kaip BPC, tai nereali suma. Jos apyvarta, nors ir auga, taciau pelno neuzdirba (spaudos pranesimas kalbejo apie pajamas, bet ne pelna). Todel moketi dabar realiai nera is ko.

    Taciau kad ir kaip tai priestarautu verslo logikai [uzdirbti pelno], bet butent toks pasiulymas - t.y. daline kompensacija per BPC, is akcininku puses yra pateiktas klientu iniciatyvinei grupei (skaitykite placiau
    http://mikelionis.wordpress.com). Cia jau grynai akcininku gera valia ir mes, kaip vadybininkai, tokiu sprendimu itakoti negalime.

  33. Viktorijai:

    Beje, jei jums kazkodel atrodo, kad LAL'as paeme is klientu pinigus ir juos kazkaip atidave BPC, tai jus labai klystate. BPC mokedavo LAL'ui uz parduotus bilietus, bet ne atvirksciai.

  34. Tai gal galų gale atsakysite kodėl krizės akivaizdoje atsisakėte mažų ekonomiškų SAAB2000 ir vietoje jų įsigijote gremėzdišką Boeing 757? Vien šio sprendimo užteko nuvaryti bendrovę į bankrotą - darosi akivaizdu kad to ir siekėte.
    Dar daugiau apie žiemelių nešvarius darbelius: http://www.alfa.lt/straipsnis/10254353/?Didziausias.Lietuvos.zemvaldys.Ziemelis..zvilgsnis.is.arciau=2009-01-27_18-30

  35. Viktorija:

    Skaiciau ta BPC pasiulyma Mikelioniui. Absurdas kazkoks, cia joks ne geranoriskumas iseina, o kaip tik sudaromos dar didesnes problemos klientui.
    Kam BPC kelia tiek daug papildomu ir Flylalui reiksmingu salygu, o ne keleiviui, jei ji nuo Flylal visiskai atsiribojus? Keista. Sitam pasiulyme keleivis paskutinej vietoj, siuo atveju net ne jis gautu pinigus, o kazkokia kelioniu bendrove, ir tai, su * papildomom salygom. Kiek gi galima maustyt, baisu.

  36. flyLAL:

    to Grippen:
    Del SAAB'u pakankamai issamiai atsakeme komentaruose auksciau.
    Del 757, tai lektuvai charteriams - su reguliariu skryzdziu veikla jie nieko bendro neturi.
    Ateityje i Jusu komentarus, jei jie bus palydeti neobjektyviais pasvarstymais, neatsakinesime.

  37. Vitalijus:

    Vytautai, as akip tikras Vitalijus, tau atsakau i klausima:
    Nebutina kazkam bankrutuot, uzteks musu Lietuvelei ir tuo, kad VTOU taip ir liks sunkiausiai pasiekiamas visoje Europoje. Dabar aisku?

    P.S. Kitu prasyciau neapsimetineti manimi. Aciu.

  38. Anominas:

    Įdomu, o nuo kada akcininkų paskolos įmonei vadinamos "investicijomis"? Žiemelis ir ko. LALui skolino todėl, kad paskolas lengva pasiimti atgal. Jei jie būtų įmonės savininkai (tokie, kokiais siūlė tapti mokesčių mokėtojams), tai būtų stiprinę įstatinį, o ne skolinę.

    SAS ir LAL istorija iš viso nieko bendro neturi. SAS būtų mielai pasinaudoję tuo, kad valdžia perima LAL ir atiduoda SAS. Taip paprasčiau, negu imtis organizuoti viską patiems. Tačiau SAS ateis čia taip ar taip, o jei jų čia nebus, tai ne todėl, kad Žiemelis jiems labai patinka, ir keršydami už jo bėdas, uždarys VNO.

    Ir, pagaliau, nedarykim toli siekiančių išvadų iš mėnesio įvykių. ŽIA ir ko. perturbacijos, tikiuosi, bus ilgam - įdomu, kiek privačių investuotojų norės skolinti kontorai, kuri nusineša 50 mln svetimų pinigų. Tačiau reisams tragedijos nebus - vertinti galėsim, kai kanodara nauja TVOU suveiks ir ateis/neateis čia naujų žaidėjų. Tada ir sakysim, pakilo kainos ar nepakilo.

  39. Augustinas:

    1.Kokie buvo motyvai atidaryti reisus į tam tikrus gana tolimus miestus, pvz. Tbilisį, Monastirį? Koks buvo apkrovimas (loadfactor) šiuose skrydžiuose, ar buvo tikimasi didesnio?

    2.Ar kada nors buvo nauda iš bandymų privilioti klientų, skrendančių jungiamaisiais skrydžiais per Vilnių (kam, kaip suprantu, buvo atidaryti dažni kasdieniai reisai į Rygą, Taliną); kiek tokių keleivių būdavo? Kada, pagal planą, buvo tikimasi tokios sėkmės ir jei jos buvo tikimasi tik tada, kai bus pastatytas terminalas, ar ne geriau buvo tada ir atidaryti tokius reisus?

    3.Ar nebuvo bandyta sudaryti daugiau susitarimų bendrojo kodo skrydžiams, taip teikiant patogesnį susisiekimą jungiamiesiems skrydžiams per didesnius Europos oro uostus (bei didinant apkrovimą), panašiai kaip su KLM per Amsterdamą, ir jei taip, kodėl?

    Asmeniškai manau, kad šiuolaikinėje ES aviacijos rinkoje ("open skies" ir t.t.) aviakompanijai, kurios centras mažoje rinkoje, esmės yra du keliai - bandyti kurti hub'ą arba suteikti geras galimybes jungiamiesiems skrydžiams (t.y. skraidyti kelis kartus per dieną į tam tikrus didelius oro uostus su sutartimis su bendrovėmis, kurių hub'ai ten yra). Bendrovės, vykdančios tik keletą point-to-point reisų verslo modelis galimas, bet tada bus pralošta didesnėms bendrovėms dėl masto ekonomijos. Kaip suprantu LAL'o planas buvo kurti hub'ą - tiesiog atrodo, kad tai buvo pavieniai bandymai (pvz. 3x ar 4x skrydžiai į Rygą realiai nesuteikiant rygiečiams galimybių per Vilnių patekti į kur nors, kur jie negali nuskristi su BT tiesiai iš Rygos; kai tuo tarpu vilniečiai per Rygą galėjo daug kur nuvykt, taigi ir Vilnius-Ryga BT rinktųsi), o buvo akivaizdu, kad terminalo statybos dar nė neprasidėjusios ir greitai nesibaigs.

  40. flyLAL:

    to Augustinas:
    Teisingi klausimai ir pamastymai. Is tiesu, musu vizija buvo regionine kompanija su hub'u Vilniuje, pirmu etapu sujungiant Skandinavija su Rytais.
    Del to aktyviai dirbome ir turejome viska pasiruose del code share'o su SAS, bei planavome Tbilisi ir kitus rytu miestus nuo 2009 m. vasaros su naujais mazais lektuvais.

    Tokio profilio kompanijai, kaip flyLAL, 40% visu keleiviu turetu buti tranzitiniai (arba teisingiau butu sakyti - "transferiniai"). Tuo tarpu pas mus buvo daug maziau.
    Norint ju skaiciu didinti, reikejo daznesniu skrydziu (min double daily reisai), partneriu, bei daug stipresniu pardavimo kanalu rytu salyse.

    Nuo 2008 metu vidurio issikeleme sau salyga, kad bet kokia nauja destinacija bus daroma tik kartu su code share partneriu. Todel atsirado Madridas su Iberia ir Budapestas su Malev'u.

    Taip pat butume dirbe ir su SN Brussels Briuselio kryptymi, aktyviai "beldemes" pas Air France / KLM del Paryziaus.

  41. Vytautas.D:

    Kol kas logiško paaiškinimo dviem klausimams vis dar nematau:
    1. Aišku kodėl pirkti Boeing 757-200, nors čia daugiau galinėjimasis su Aurela. O lėktuvų, kurie galėtų nuskrist iki Tailando (be tūpimo) LAL neįsigijo. Bet kam pirkti Boeing 737-300/500, jei dabar visur šaukiat, kad reikėjo mažesnių lėktuvų?
    2. Kodėl nusprendėt akcijas SAS parduot tik gruodį? Kodėl neieškojot tokių bendrasavininkų vasara ir pan? Kur KLM, Aeroflot? Dar kas nors iš rimtesnių oro vežėjų.
    O tas tranzitinių srautų formavimas atrodė juokingai. LAL beveik niekur skrydžių nesiūlė ten, kur AirBaltic neskraido. Tada galėjo su ja konkuruot tik kaina ir į minusą. Jei neturit pinigų užsiaugint klientui, nereikia prasidėt. Pavyzdys UtAir- į Vilniu kelis mėnesius skraidė vos ne su 2-3 keleiviais. Susitvarkė pardavimus ir t.t. Dabar lėktuvai normaliai užpildyti. Ir kainos dar pusė velnio.

  42. Ieva:

    Gerbiami LAL atstovai siuo metu spaudoje formuojama nuomone yra dvipuse todel turiu keleta klausimu, i kuriuos gavus atsakyma butu galima susidaryti atitinkama nuomone apie jusu imones veiklos vkdyma.
    gerb. G. Žiemelis minėjo, jog AB "Flylal lithuanian airlines" akcininkai yra suteikę 47 mln. paskolu imonei. ar jus galetumete konkretizuoti kokiai imonei buvo suteiktos paskolos ir kada?
    taip pat kyla klausimas ar imone turi finansiniu isipareigojimu kredito istaigoms, juridiniams asmenims ar institucijoms, jei taip tai kokiu turtu yra garantuoti finansiniai isipareigojimai? ir jei teisingai susidariau nuomone imone gaudavo pajamas is keleiviu vezimo, o su kokiomis imonemis buvo atsiskaitoma? sirdingai dekoju jums uz skrta laika.

  43. Anonimas:

    skaiciau, kad p. Ziemelis aiskino jog tiems, kas pirko ju bilietus per agenturas, bus grazinti pinigai. Ne velnio! Man agenturoj aiskina, kad jie atsiskaite su IATA ir jiems uz Fly Lal bilietus niekas tu pinigu negrazina, todel ir jie mums negali grazinti. Tai kas cia dabar mus mausto? Pons Ziemelis ar agentura?

  44. "Reziumuojant: flyLAL‘as – tai ne „pelningas bankrotas“, ir ne „finansinė afera“ " - o finansinė pyramydė, kurį padarė banda antpirštininkų siekiant išdulkinti lochus, ir jiems tai pavyko! Ir dar daugiau pasiseks, jeigu išmuš babkes iš vyriausybės. Ponai, jūsų vieta - kalėjime!!!

  45. Aciu LTV laidos “Versijos” vedejui uz labia aktualia tema ir pakviestus atstovus.
    Dar pora panasiu laidu ir issisklaidys
    neigiama, bet populiari visuomenes nuomone apie FLY LAL
    Juk ir reikalo nezinantiems aiskeja, kur yra progreso variklis
    ir kur yra stringama – tiesog stabdoma.
    Juk susisiekimo ministras sustabde vezejo licenzija, o paskui
    labai rupinosi keleiviu nuostoliais.

    100% privatizave Lietuvos Avialinijas pradzioje verslininkai dziugavo, gave dirva investicijoms, bet ilgainiui suprato, kad be valstybes dalyvavimo reguliariuju skrydziu veikla yra nuostolinga – tiesiog neimanoma.
    Juk negalejo FLY LAL konkuruoti su AirBaltic, kai uz pastarosios su 53% akciju stovi Latvijos vyriausybe ir su 47% stovejo SAS.

    Potencialus ir rimtas investuotojas - kinieciu Hainan Airlines klause:
    Ar negaletu Lietuvos vyriausybe kapitalizuoti dali FLY LAL skolu tokiu budu
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